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Re: Very concurrent garbage collector for ARC

So, if I manage to do that, how could I propose a patch to Apple?
Also, is there anyone on this list that could give me some guidance on how to build Apple's libobjc from source?

Em 30/09/2015, às 01:15, Jens Alfke escreveu:

>
>> On Sep 29, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Paulo H. Taka Torrens <paulotorrens@gnu.org> wrote:
>>
>> Well, this probably could be turned on/off using a environment variable (something like OBJC_CYCLE_GC)... but the point is that the overhead shouldn't be that big; Inferno's algorithm was projected to do really small steps each time, so that it wouldn't have to suddenly stop-the-world as most GCs.
>
> Which is cool; but it's still going to lower overall performance by some amount. (Back in the day, the rule of thumb was that any garbage collector would add at least ~10% overhead to the CPU time taken by a typical program.)
>
>> I'm still testing the runtime overhead on GNUStep, but I believe that the overhead will be really small. I would probably be able to test the same thing for Apple's as well (if I manage to build it from source…).
>
> That would be cool!
>
> —Jens
>
>

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Re: Very concurrent garbage collector for ARC

> On Sep 29, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Paulo H. Taka Torrens <paulotorrens@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> Well, this probably could be turned on/off using a environment variable (something like OBJC_CYCLE_GC)... but the point is that the overhead shouldn't be that big; Inferno's algorithm was projected to do really small steps each time, so that it wouldn't have to suddenly stop-the-world as most GCs.

Which is cool; but it's still going to lower overall performance by some amount. (Back in the day, the rule of thumb was that any garbage collector would add at least ~10% overhead to the CPU time taken by a typical program.)

> I'm still testing the runtime overhead on GNUStep, but I believe that the overhead will be really small. I would probably be able to test the same thing for Apple's as well (if I manage to build it from source…).

That would be cool!

—Jens

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Re: Very concurrent garbage collector for ARC

Well, this probably could be turned on/off using a environment variable (something like OBJC_CYCLE_GC)... but the point is that the overhead shouldn't be that big; Inferno's algorithm was projected to do really small steps each time, so that it wouldn't have to suddenly stop-the-world as most GCs.

I'm still testing the runtime overhead on GNUStep, but I believe that the overhead will be really small. I would probably be able to test the same thing for Apple's as well (if I manage to build it from source...).

Em 30/09/2015, às 00:09, Jens Alfke escreveu:

On Sep 29, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Paulo H. Taka Torrens <paulotorrens@gnu.org> wrote:

I've been working on an implementation of a concurrent garbage collector (based on Inferno's,http://doc.cat-v.org/inferno/concurrent_gc/) to warn the user and reclaim memory in cycles found in ARC during runtime for the GNUStep's Objective-C library.

Is this as a debugging/performance tool? Or would it be incorporated in a released app? It sounds like a lot of runtime overhead to add, just to add the ability to free ref cycles.

—Jens

Re: Very concurrent garbage collector for ARC

On Sep 29, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Paulo H. Taka Torrens <paulotorrens@gnu.org> wrote:

I've been working on an implementation of a concurrent garbage collector (based on Inferno's,http://doc.cat-v.org/inferno/concurrent_gc/) to warn the user and reclaim memory in cycles found in ARC during runtime for the GNUStep's Objective-C library.

Is this as a debugging/performance tool? Or would it be incorporated in a released app? It sounds like a lot of runtime overhead to add, just to add the ability to free ref cycles.

—Jens

Very concurrent garbage collector for ARC

Hello,

I've been working on an implementation of a concurrent garbage collector (based on Inferno's,http://doc.cat-v.org/inferno/concurrent_gc/) to warn the user and reclaim memory in cycles found in ARC during runtime for the GNUStep's Objective-C library.

Is there any interest on an implementation for Apple's libobjc? I could probably take some time to implement it as well, but I would probably need some help to setup the environment for the code on http://opensource.apple.com/. I'm not sure how I could propose a patch for Apple's libobjc.



Regards,
Paulo.

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